This a copy/paste of a comment Stephen W Tayler left on the Steve Hoffman Music Forums. I cannot link to the original, so this is off a copy I keep with my boxed set rip. I have changed the font colour where SWT says he sourced the recordings from different performances to your selection.
The original album used the following tracks:
Life In The Air Age - Leeds 1 - 13th February
Ships In The Night - Leeds 1 - 13th February
Piece Of Mine - Bristol - 27th March
Fair Exchange - Leeds 1 - 13th February
Shine - Leeds 1 - 13th February
Sister Seagull - Leeds 2 - 14th February
Maid In Heaven - Hammersmith 2 - 26th March
Mill Street Junction - Hammersmith 1 - 25th March
Adventures In A Yorkshire Landscape - Leeds 2 - 14th February
Blazing Apostles - Hammersmith 2 - 26th March
None of the tracks from Leicester or Bournemouth shows were used.
As you can see the original release was compiled from several different shows, and some very small parts repaired or replaced - usually for technical issues. It was a very special and particular production approach and so in this case I decided not to be influenced by those mixes.
This set of full shows is not a remix as such, but a brand new mix, trying to recreate the feeling of being there in the theatre, leaving in all the audience response, introductions and talk between the tracks.
It might have been nice to have a surround version, but decisions had to be made about what would be realistic and practical in terms of how much material we had. Imagine how many discs there would have been!
These are carefully and lovingly mixed, and experiencing these wonderful dynamic live performances was so exciting for me. Yes it is aimed at true enthusiasts and everyone will probably have a favourite! SWTx
This is excellent. The two in red, which are different from mine, were the two that, on a second listen, I realized were incorrect. Happy for this correction!
So I'm resurrecting this thread. Today I went to Spotify to see if the full 16 disc set is there, and it is! So I spent an idle half hour or so trying to determine where the various performances from the original album came from, "Shine" and "Adventures" in particular, since those guitar solos have been so emblazoned in my head all these years. Was "Adventures" cobbled together from various performances, for instance, or was it an unadorned live track? And I am thrilled (and not surprised) to report that yes, that performance on the original album was as is. Here is what I THINK are the original performances:
"Life in the Air Age," Leeds, 13 February
"Ships in the Night," Leeds, 13 February
"Piece of Mine," Leeds, 13 February
"Fair Exchange," Leeds, 13 February
"Shine," Leeds, 13 February
"Sister Seagull," Leeds, 14 February
"Maid In Heaven," Hammersmith, 26 March
"Mill Street Junction," Colston, 27 March
"Adventures in a Yorkshire Landscape," Leeds, 14 February
"Blazing Apostles," Hammersmith, 26 March
Happy to be corrected, but this sounds about right.
Don't ask me, I've no idea... But I have to own up to the fact that I haven't actually listened to any of it, (too busy creating new music!) The past is a foreign country, as they say...) 😁
I am so glad to see that they got the song order right. One of the frustrating things about the CD was that they just tossed the EP at the end instead of in the middle where it naturally played when stacking the albums. (Yes, I had a player that stacked multiple records.) This is just one indication of the attention to details that have gone in to all of these releases. Thanks!
@merikan1 One of my favourite ever songs...I'm not exactly sure what perfection is in music, I'm never , really ever, satisfied with my own efforts, but surely this must come close.
Was sitting in the sun today, listening to the original album - well, OK, a re-issued version - on headphones. Looking forward to the 16 disc monster, to find out :
a) If that's the only version of Life In The Air Age with Andy Clark's synth in tune for the intro. I've heard some versions where it's hideously out of tune :)
b) What Shine sounds like without Cabasa El Dubova - the various percussion instruments - on it.
c) Which show Mill Street Junction is from, and is the rest of that show also nearly mono?
d) If Charlie's bass line on the other versions of AIAYL makes me think so strongly of a tuba in a brass band. I always wondered if Bill had played him a brass band and said "That's the bass line I want!".
And it also reminded me that Andy Clark was one of the best, but mostly unsung, keyboard players of the era.
I've lost count of how many copies of this recording I've worn out over the years, Cassette tapes, LP/EP's, CD copies... I've simply got to get this one. I've spent half my life trying to emulate the ferocious guitar on this album. All helps to fine-tune my tablature transcriptions too. If I ever need to prove to someone how great a player Bill is I just put this on, it never fails to impress.
There are 2 clips of Modern Music on Youtube from this gig. They were taken from a Don Kirshners Rock Concert transmission in the US. So it sounds like the new release is from a restored VHS tape of the Uk broadcast and not the original film footage.
@James Ellis Apparently the broadcast included 4 tracks - Bring Back the Spark, Twighlight Capers, Dancing in the Moonlight and Modern Music. Broadcast 5 Feb 1977
Somebody on another forum (Missing Believed Wiped) was in contact with Lindsay Clennell via email, who was happy for his replies to be published, so it may be possible to elicit further info.
I think that the set is expensive, however, had I walked into a pub and someone had said they had a perfect copy of the Star Rider recording for £90.00, I would probably have bought it.
This almost seems like a bit of closure re Be Bop for me. I've wanted to see live performances and now we have the Drastic Plastic, Old Grey Whistle Test and now Star Rider (that I feel sure must have more than 5 songs)
It would be great if Cherry could release a set of all the video material in one place with the Bill Nelson interviews in one place.
I will definitely be passing on this one. Between the original release, the BBC albums, assorted bootlegs and the (formerly bootleg) live recordings on the Axe Victim/Futurama/Sunburst Finish reissues, my need for live BBD is covered. Now, if they were to release the Winterland (San Francisco) shows...
However, I wish those that do buy it many hours of listening pleasure.
Cherry Red put out an Eddie & the Hot Rods Live at The Rainbow DVD some years ago & this was sourced from the same video library as the Star Rider concert, so presumably they were able to rediscover this fairly easily, be interesting to know what else is in that PVL (Private Video Library).
I had a video copy of the star rider concert for years but the quality was really terrible. I assume that Cherry Red got hold of a good copy, but I know from various threads on this site that people have been looking for a good copy for years.
If anyone knows the full set list, do tell. Here is an unusual performance that I was sent years ago, so I put it on youtube (I asked Bill first)
It seems to be the 30 minute TV program, so quite a few songs left out of the performance, but they all must have been filmed, so I wonder where that footage is if indeed it still exists ?
This a copy/paste of a comment Stephen W Tayler left on the Steve Hoffman Music Forums. I cannot link to the original, so this is off a copy I keep with my boxed set rip. I have changed the font colour where SWT says he sourced the recordings from different performances to your selection.
The original album used the following tracks:
Life In The Air Age - Leeds 1 - 13th February
Ships In The Night - Leeds 1 - 13th February
Piece Of Mine - Bristol - 27th March
Fair Exchange - Leeds 1 - 13th February
Shine - Leeds 1 - 13th February
Sister Seagull - Leeds 2 - 14th February
Maid In Heaven - Hammersmith 2 - 26th March
Mill Street Junction - Hammersmith 1 - 25th March
Adventures In A Yorkshire Landscape - Leeds 2 - 14th February
Blazing Apostles - Hammersmith 2 - 26th March
None of the tracks from Leicester or Bournemouth shows were used.
As you can see the original release was compiled from several different shows, and some very small parts repaired or replaced - usually for technical issues. It was a very special and particular production approach and so in this case I decided not to be influenced by those mixes.
This set of full shows is not a remix as such, but a brand new mix, trying to recreate the feeling of being there in the theatre, leaving in all the audience response, introductions and talk between the tracks.
It might have been nice to have a surround version, but decisions had to be made about what would be realistic and practical in terms of how much material we had. Imagine how many discs there would have been!
These are carefully and lovingly mixed, and experiencing these wonderful dynamic live performances was so exciting for me. Yes it is aimed at true enthusiasts and everyone will probably have a favourite! SWTx
Stephen W Tayler
So I'm resurrecting this thread. Today I went to Spotify to see if the full 16 disc set is there, and it is! So I spent an idle half hour or so trying to determine where the various performances from the original album came from, "Shine" and "Adventures" in particular, since those guitar solos have been so emblazoned in my head all these years. Was "Adventures" cobbled together from various performances, for instance, or was it an unadorned live track? And I am thrilled (and not surprised) to report that yes, that performance on the original album was as is. Here is what I THINK are the original performances:
"Life in the Air Age," Leeds, 13 February
"Ships in the Night," Leeds, 13 February
"Piece of Mine," Leeds, 13 February
"Fair Exchange," Leeds, 13 February
"Shine," Leeds, 13 February
"Sister Seagull," Leeds, 14 February
"Maid In Heaven," Hammersmith, 26 March
"Mill Street Junction," Colston, 27 March
"Adventures in a Yorkshire Landscape," Leeds, 14 February
"Blazing Apostles," Hammersmith, 26 March
Happy to be corrected, but this sounds about right.
Just made it through all of the discs....how come no band samples on the modern music intro?
I am so glad to see that they got the song order right. One of the frustrating things about the CD was that they just tossed the EP at the end instead of in the middle where it naturally played when stacking the albums. (Yes, I had a player that stacked multiple records.) This is just one indication of the attention to details that have gone in to all of these releases. Thanks!
Yeah, like quite a few people in this thread I've decided to pass on
these offerings - they're either too little or miles too much 😏
Now, as to something from the Nelsonica / Plectronica / Launch Party
series, then yes please !
I believe there are video recordings of those events ...
A live Nelsonica box set, now there's a tempting morsel! Bill, Bill ? 🙂
Sorted!
I'd love a live version of Orpheus in Ultraland, and Imps in the Undergrowth.
Love, love, love those two songs.
cheers, 'Pod.
Done!
All this music & not a single live version of Orphans of Babylon, I am disappointed, one of my very faves 🙂
Was sitting in the sun today, listening to the original album - well, OK, a re-issued version - on headphones. Looking forward to the 16 disc monster, to find out :
a) If that's the only version of Life In The Air Age with Andy Clark's synth in tune for the intro. I've heard some versions where it's hideously out of tune :)
b) What Shine sounds like without Cabasa El Dubova - the various percussion instruments - on it.
c) Which show Mill Street Junction is from, and is the rest of that show also nearly mono?
d) If Charlie's bass line on the other versions of AIAYL makes me think so strongly of a tuba in a brass band. I always wondered if Bill had played him a brass band and said "That's the bass line I want!".
And it also reminded me that Andy Clark was one of the best, but mostly unsung, keyboard players of the era.
Live material on disc 5 of Futurist Manifesto ; it comes from these recordings?
I've lost count of how many copies of this recording I've worn out over the years, Cassette tapes, LP/EP's, CD copies... I've simply got to get this one. I've spent half my life trying to emulate the ferocious guitar on this album. All helps to fine-tune my tablature transcriptions too. If I ever need to prove to someone how great a player Bill is I just put this on, it never fails to impress.
TC
hopefully the modern music suite is one of the star rider tracks...
Somebody on another forum (Missing Believed Wiped) was in contact with Lindsay Clennell via email, who was happy for his replies to be published, so it may be possible to elicit further info.
I think that the set is expensive, however, had I walked into a pub and someone had said they had a perfect copy of the Star Rider recording for £90.00, I would probably have bought it.
This almost seems like a bit of closure re Be Bop for me. I've wanted to see live performances and now we have the Drastic Plastic, Old Grey Whistle Test and now Star Rider (that I feel sure must have more than 5 songs)
It would be great if Cherry could release a set of all the video material in one place with the Bill Nelson interviews in one place.
I will definitely be passing on this one. Between the original release, the BBC albums, assorted bootlegs and the (formerly bootleg) live recordings on the Axe Victim/Futurama/Sunburst Finish reissues, my need for live BBD is covered. Now, if they were to release the Winterland (San Francisco) shows...
However, I wish those that do buy it many hours of listening pleasure.
Cherry Red put out an Eddie & the Hot Rods Live at The Rainbow DVD some years ago & this was sourced from the same video library as the Star Rider concert, so presumably they were able to rediscover this fairly easily, be interesting to know what else is in that PVL (Private Video Library).
I had a video copy of the star rider concert for years but the quality was really terrible. I assume that Cherry Red got hold of a good copy, but I know from various threads on this site that people have been looking for a good copy for years.
If anyone knows the full set list, do tell. Here is an unusual performance that I was sent years ago, so I put it on youtube (I asked Bill first)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT1HAo53224
It seems to be the 30 minute TV program, so quite a few songs left out of the performance, but they all must have been filmed, so I wonder where that footage is if indeed it still exists ?